First of all, there’s no such thing as humane meat as the animals are still killed in the end. It’s less cruelly raised meat. And nothing will convince me that eating a dead animal is okay, no matter how nice his life was.

And you really don’t need cows’ milk unless you’re a baby calf. Let the cows give their babies nourishment instead of stealing it from them.

I’m not an omnivore! sorry… To answer your question, yeah, maybe they were pasture raised, but i am pretty sure your meat was still brutally slaughtered. that is what is ethically wrong with this. If they were pasture raised, they actually still are in danger from predators. That’s why farmers are allowed to shoot wolves and coyotes that go onto their property (and neighbourhood dogs, sadly). And, people who eat them are predators too.
It’s good that you’re buying locally though.

It’s not about health for me, though it is for others. I won’t eat something that had to be slaughtered. Really that’s all I can say.

Nothing if you believe they deserve to die. For me, I don’t want them to be bred and brought into this world so they can be killed humanely or not. For me animals are animals, not food. I don’t think they should die. Everyone has a different opinion to what’s ethical and what’s not. There isn’t just one guideline on that. If you’re comfortable with your lifestyle, that’s fine, too. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, but on the other hand, you also need to respect people’s choice not to eat animal products.

Well I must say I respect you more than the average meat eater because you actually care where your meat comes from and you seem to put a lot of thought into the dangers of modern day factory farming. If you know they are humanely raised then I definitely think this is better than buying factory farmed meat. Personally though I still would not want to eat it because I still see death as pain and suffering. These animals have still been ‘grown’ and slaughtered for the benefit of human tastebuds which I don’t see as a good enough reason for causing them pain. Sure, if it was a matter of life and death then I may be able to sympathize but vegetarian and vegan diets have proved to be healthy so I wouldn’t want to put something in my body that was a result of something else’s pain just to please my tastebuds. That’s just my personal belief though and again I’d like to stress that humanely reared meat is a hundred times better than factory farmed meat. There is still the case of the environment though… cow’s methane has an obvious and very real danger to the environment but there’s also the fact that the rearing of these animals takes up a lot more energy and land than growing vegetables or grain would. The cows you mention graize on pastures which take up a lot of land per animal and then I’m assuming grass is grown and cut for hay in the winter too. So space, water and energy is used to grow the food to feed the animals which then turn into food themselves but only 1kg of meat is produced per 10kg of food they consume which isn’t a very effective way of using resources to me. Just using the space to grow human food seems a much more logical way instead. Hopefully they get all their food from the UK because if they get it from overseas (especially 3rd world countries where people are starving right next to fields of food which is being sent to the west as animal fodder) then this would be even worse.

In terms of milk I’m sorry but I don’t think there’s any ‘humane’ way of obtaining this. I can understand humanely reared meat to an extent but I actually see dairy farming as worse than the meat industry. Dairy cows have been manipulated and bred over the years to produce an uncomfortable amount of milk in their udders… I think it’s increased by about 5 times in the past 100 years which has led to 1 in 3 cows getting mastitis. Also cows are impregnated every year and have their calfs taken away from them after only a couple of days so they don’t drink the milk which is rightfully theirs. Male calfs are of no use to the dairy industry and are too scrawny to be raised as meat so they’re either shot at birth or sent abroad to veal farms. The mother cows, to be the most productive and cost effective, never get a break and carry the double burden of producing milk while they’re nurturing a baby inside them at the same time. The weight of this causes enormous stress on their legs which is why 50% of them will become lame. Then a quater of the way through their lives they are slaughtered for their meat because they are ’spent’ from the stress their bodies have been through. I really have no sympathy towards the dairy industry and cannot think of any reason why we should use animals like machines when all the nutrients in milk can be found in other sources.

I think it’s great you care where you buy your animal products but personally, I don’t want to see animals as objects when the only reason for doing so is because of something as trivial as taste.

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Personally I don’t think animals should be bred for our convenience. I do have pets but they’re from rescue centres and sure I benefit from their company but what do you mean by killing them for our convenience? Isn’t that animal abuse? I also would never kill a rat.

Ok the milk you buy may come from cows that are allowed to have their babies close to them but they would eventually be taken away to be killed… they would not have a male cow among a dairy herd for long. You may have a point about the methane gas but I really don’t know too much about organic cow gas so I’m not certain of it. I still think the environmental and ethical factors largely outweigh our tastebuds. Yes, products from humanely raised animals are better but suffering still is involved and I wouldn’t want something to go through pain just for my tastebuds.

What is the point in posting this. If you want to be a murderer then that’s your opinion just don’t go around shouting it out on the vegetarian and vegan section.

What you describe is certainly preferable to industrial farming methods. There is much less suffering involved, which is definitely something positive. I feel less sad when I hear that people eat animals that have been raised humanely.

Unfortunately, the end result is the same: all animals destined to become meat must die, and often a lot sooner than their natural lifespan would allow. I believe that to be both sad and unnecessary since with a little know-how people are able to live quite healthfully on a plant-based diet.

Most people hold the belief that it’s wrong to kill other people. As a vegan I definitely agree, but where I differ is that I also include animals in that belief. Life is valuable no matter what form it takes, and I don’t feel it’s my right to take it if I can help it. When it comes to what I choose to put in my mouth, I CAN help it.

I think this is the only type of meat people should eat if they are going to insist on eating it. I’m going vegetarian because it’s better for me. I eat healthier as a vegetarian. Besides I’ve never really liked meat. So why waste the money?

i prefer not to have any animal die for me to eat but as i am married to a meat eater i insist that he has organic meat. its still not good enough but its the best i can do for the animals. ..

The animals still die.